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what mr. romney had said. >> i'm sorry, jim. i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs and other things and i like pbs, i like big bird i actually like you to, but not borrowing money to pay china for supporting it. >> and the big broadcasting systems. what's the truth? could big bird be going bye-bye? joining us, from the christian monitor, good morning. >> good morning. >> so are big bird and pbs really in any danger here? >> well, i don't think big bird's had a week this good in a while. he's huge on twitter now. i think his twitter presence increased like 800,000%, and the thing about big bird and "sesame street" is they have so much outside funding. it's not like "sesame street" will disappear. pbs, the subsidy, it's a sizable chunk of their budget and would be a big blow. >>? how much? a perspective? how much the government chips in? >> it fluctuates year to year. 10% to 15%. in 2011, 12% funneled stlu came from the government subsidy. >> definite lay sizable clunk there. pbs has released a statement accusing governor romney of
what mr. romney had said. >> i'm sorry, jim. i'm going to stop the subsidy to pbs and other things and i like pbs, i like big bird i actually like you to, but not borrowing money to pay china for supporting it. >> and the big broadcasting systems. what's the truth? could big bird be going bye-bye? joining us, from the christian monitor, good morning. >> good morning. >> so are big bird and pbs really in any danger here? >> well, i don't think big bird's had a week...
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you heard the president last night with mr. romney. mr. romney being a different mr. romney than we've seen him for the last 18 months or the last section years. do you think even with the new hit romney that showed up last night when he starts talking about states' rights, when he starts talking about regulation or deregulation, when he starts saying he doesn't advocate $5 trillion tax cut when in fact the numbers prove that he does and has been advocating that, will that resonate with independent voters and/or undecided voters in your state of ohio? >> i don't think so. i think people realize that governor romney is still wrong on medicare and still wrong on trade and still wrong on jobs and still wrong on the middle class. i think that's increasingly clear. again it goes back to which path do you go. do you want to go back to the trickle down economics you give tax cuts to the rich and hope it helps the middle class or do you focus on the middle class and that's trait enforcement, it's i don't think training at community colleges like columbus state and sinclair. i
you heard the president last night with mr. romney. mr. romney being a different mr. romney than we've seen him for the last 18 months or the last section years. do you think even with the new hit romney that showed up last night when he starts talking about states' rights, when he starts talking about regulation or deregulation, when he starts saying he doesn't advocate $5 trillion tax cut when in fact the numbers prove that he does and has been advocating that, will that resonate with...
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mr. romney worked both those strategies last night and mr. romney, of course, won the debate, on style, on presentation, he won on demeanor. now day two is the attempted cleanup for things he actually said. today has been a day of mr. romney's campaign saying he did not mean what he said about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance. his campaign said today he does not have a plan for that even though he said he did. the romney campaign today said he did not mean what he said about half the energy companies supported by the obama administration going bankrupt. he didn't actually mean that. sort of rolled over from democratic and liberal bewilderment last night that mr. romney was abandoning his main economic plan that he was running on, his $5 trillion tax cut plan, his big trickle-down plan, to be rolled over from democrats being bewildered about that to the beltway press and mainstream pundits i think now having a hard time deciding whether they are supposed to call that a lie or whether they're supposed to ju
mr. romney worked both those strategies last night and mr. romney, of course, won the debate, on style, on presentation, he won on demeanor. now day two is the attempted cleanup for things he actually said. today has been a day of mr. romney's campaign saying he did not mean what he said about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance. his campaign said today he does not have a plan for that even though he said he did. the romney campaign today said he did not mean...
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both mr. obama and romney will come well prepared for that. it's how they conduct themselves, how they come across to viewers and a lot of that's very, very personal. frankly, you can't really rehearse it. that's what makes the anticipation so high. the expectation game so important, it's the unscripted moment that people are watching for. bill? >> bill: 50 million plus americans watching four years ago. huge audience. >>> 25-year-old who graduated from college earned a law degree and passed the florida bar exam. now fighting to get his law license. the problem was and is, he's an illegal immigrant. he came to the u.s. with his parents at the age of nine on a visitor's visa and when that expired, they never left. now he's hoping to convince the florida supreme court to let him practice law, even though he's undocumented. at a hearing today, the justices appeared skeptical, questioning whether they have the authority to do so since it's against federal law. they also talked about delaying a decision to see if the man gets a work permit under pr
both mr. obama and romney will come well prepared for that. it's how they conduct themselves, how they come across to viewers and a lot of that's very, very personal. frankly, you can't really rehearse it. that's what makes the anticipation so high. the expectation game so important, it's the unscripted moment that people are watching for. bill? >> bill: 50 million plus americans watching four years ago. huge audience. >>> 25-year-old who graduated from college earned a law...
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case in point, mr. romney's tax plan. for months he's been telling us that he'll cut everyone's taxes by 20%. so some of the country's brightest economists did the math and found that romney's tax plan promises to cut taxes by $5 trillion without adding to the deficit. but when mitt romney took to the stage last night, he delivered a line that beggared belief. >> no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> so black is white, up is down, and everything is the way he says it is in the world of mitt romney. like yago, mitt romney delivered those lines in the presence of a black man, but on this occasion the president would not be deceived. he allowed mr. romney to rehearse the full extent of his lie and then just a few hours ago drew our attention to what really happened last night. >> the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts in favor of the wealthy. the fellow on stage last night s
case in point, mr. romney's tax plan. for months he's been telling us that he'll cut everyone's taxes by 20%. so some of the country's brightest economists did the math and found that romney's tax plan promises to cut taxes by $5 trillion without adding to the deficit. but when mitt romney took to the stage last night, he delivered a line that beggared belief. >> no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >>...
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romney must call out the president. that is not so easy. mr. romney can't call mr. obama a liar. that's too harsh a word that would backfire. mr. romney must instead set the record straight in a presidential tone firm, respectful, but not deferential. joining me to talk about it from washington, richard goodstein, a democratic strategist who helped get al gore ready for the debates in 2000. on the phone from nebraska, brett o'donnell who is debate coach for mitt romney for part of the republican primary season. good afternoon to both of you gentlemen. >> good to be with you. >> let me start with you. tell me about the balance that romney has to strike, calling out, calling out president obama without appearing to be unfair or perhaps even nasty. >> well, i think it's all a matter of tone and language. and for governor romney, i would describe it as being respectfully but passionately aggressive. so in the way he refers to the president, referring to him as mr. president, with all due respect, but he also can't let that put him into a defensive posture where he doesn't -- i agree
romney must call out the president. that is not so easy. mr. romney can't call mr. obama a liar. that's too harsh a word that would backfire. mr. romney must instead set the record straight in a presidential tone firm, respectful, but not deferential. joining me to talk about it from washington, richard goodstein, a democratic strategist who helped get al gore ready for the debates in 2000. on the phone from nebraska, brett o'donnell who is debate coach for mitt romney for part of the...
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romney say, mr. president, you've been on an on poll i go tour, you don't know what you're doing in the middle east, you're waiving the work requirement for welfare. if he keeps going like that, the president is likely to lose his temper, isn't he? >> reporter: oh, i don't think so. look, the challenge facing president obama -- >> you don't? >> reporter: -- is the equivalent of a football team ahead trying to run out the fourth quarter. i think his challenge is to deflect, to respond to those with some element of humor, bemouss bemousseement. he'll cite fact-checkers and say independent analysts say your welfare charge is wrong, that sort of thing. i would expect him to be as much above it and not peevish, arrogant, not condescending as is possible to be. this is a president who doesn't make too many mistakes. >> karen, tonight's focus is domestic. >> yep. >> no bigger domestic issue than the economy, as we know. we'll have a rather open format. do you think we'll actually hear a specific from mr. ro
romney say, mr. president, you've been on an on poll i go tour, you don't know what you're doing in the middle east, you're waiving the work requirement for welfare. if he keeps going like that, the president is likely to lose his temper, isn't he? >> reporter: oh, i don't think so. look, the challenge facing president obama -- >> you don't? >> reporter: -- is the equivalent of a football team ahead trying to run out the fourth quarter. i think his challenge is to deflect, to...
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romney and mr. ryan. >> romney, ryan, romney, ryan. >> so that people don't get tired of her. >> when you go after my man -- >> stop it, this is hard. you want to try, it get in the ring. >> was i a little strong? >> never apologize for america. >> people will call my awful things every day. there are going to be bumps in the road. >> what's with the wily coyote nuclear bomb? >> 90 minute attack ad. >> president is obviously a very eloquent and gifted speaker. >> i would have, bam. >> i have neve been in a presidential debate like this. >> let's get right to our panel now. we're joined by democratic strategist julian epstein, michelle cottle, washington correspondent for "newsweek" and the daily beast, and michael krouly who is "time's" washington bureau sheaf. allow me to read to you if i may part of a statement from beth myers. she says the president is a universally acclaimed public speaker. it's clear he will use his ample rhetorical gifts and debating experience to one end, attacking mitt romne
romney and mr. ryan. >> romney, ryan, romney, ryan. >> so that people don't get tired of her. >> when you go after my man -- >> stop it, this is hard. you want to try, it get in the ring. >> was i a little strong? >> never apologize for america. >> people will call my awful things every day. there are going to be bumps in the road. >> what's with the wily coyote nuclear bomb? >> 90 minute attack ad. >> president is obviously a very...
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the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate mr. romney is seen wiping his nose with said handkerchief. so whether you are persuaded by mitt romney wiping his nose on what is supposed to be his crib sheet notes, if you're on the left, again, like this is a conspiracy theory that just does not help. president obama did not win the first debate against mitt romney. whether or not you're happy about that he didn't win. but if your takeaway from this conspiracy theory in this debate is the reason the president didn't win is because mitt romney cheated, then what is the utility of that theory for you? what is the utility of that information? how do you think president obama should then prepare for the second debate? should he just do exactly what he did this past wednesday night, except keep a closer eye out for the cheating because that is the only reason he lost? i mean, it may be comforting to tell yourself this is what really went
the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate mr. romney is seen wiping his nose with said handkerchief. so whether you are persuaded by mitt romney wiping his nose on what is supposed to be his crib sheet notes, if you're on the left, again, like this is a conspiracy theory that just does not help. president obama did not win the first debate...
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fallen is giving zadakas a run for his moment on this romney impression. >>> here's the latest. >> mr. president, china is demanding that the u.s. pay back its debt in full immediately. failure to do so will bring on financial apocalypse. you need to look into that camera and convince the people of china we are good to pay back that debt. >> why you got to play me like that, china? when you loan that money to my predecessors, did you really think you were going to get it back? >> china's not budging but we have just had the results back from your latest presidential physical and it tornadoes out you have telepathic powers. look into that camera and convince the chinese they need to step down. >> it's your move. >> there's still time. there's still time for president cain. write him in in november, won you? >>> still ahead on "way too early," why are you still awake? tweets, texts and e-mails are next. "morning joe," live from washington, just moments away. [ male announcer ] for the dreamers... and those well grounded. for what's around this corner... and the next. there's cash flow o
fallen is giving zadakas a run for his moment on this romney impression. >>> here's the latest. >> mr. president, china is demanding that the u.s. pay back its debt in full immediately. failure to do so will bring on financial apocalypse. you need to look into that camera and convince the people of china we are good to pay back that debt. >> why you got to play me like that, china? when you loan that money to my predecessors, did you really think you were going to get it...
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mrs. romney, that's not helping. you better finish the thought. >> i have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy, in his understanding of what's missing right now in the economy, you know, the pieces that are missing to get this jump started. so for me i think it would be the emotional part of it. >> right. he's capable, decisive, and emotionally troubled? well, that is an october surprise. let's get right to our panel this afternoon. with us from washington, msnbc political analyst karen finney, who is a democratic strategist. also julian epstein, who is a democratic strategist, and here in new york msnbc political analyst professor michael eric dyson. professor dyson, mitt romney's wife says she's concerned about his mental health. paul ryan says he's inarticulate. if he can't think straight and he can't speak properly, is mitt romney george bush in disguise? >> i'll tell what you. i want to give you the baseline, i don't ha
mrs. romney, that's not helping. you better finish the thought. >> i have all the confidence in the world in his ability, in his decisiveness, in his leadership skills, in his understanding of the economy, in his understanding of what's missing right now in the economy, you know, the pieces that are missing to get this jump started. so for me i think it would be the emotional part of it. >> right. he's capable, decisive, and emotionally troubled? well, that is an october surprise....
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mr. romney saying that the president was like one of his sons. joining us there the university of denver, the site of tonight's debate, former new york mayor, rudy giuliani. thank you very much for your time. nice to have you here. >> thank you, rachel. >> what was your overall response to the debate? we know you support mitt romney but what do you think he did well? >> i really am very excited about it. i thought he did exactly what he had to do to turn this campaign around. i thought it was as devastating a convict a and defeat i've seen in a presidential campaign and debate. i thought the main thing he did and a real consistency throughout what he was saying and this is the contrast for the american people. he's talking about private-sector problems and solutions to our problems, to our economy, education, health care. and president obama is talking about government solutions. it's a very different vision that the two men have. i think president obama, also, seemed a little beif yofuddled. i'm not sure he's used to be challenged and he seemed
mr. romney saying that the president was like one of his sons. joining us there the university of denver, the site of tonight's debate, former new york mayor, rudy giuliani. thank you very much for your time. nice to have you here. >> thank you, rachel. >> what was your overall response to the debate? we know you support mitt romney but what do you think he did well? >> i really am very excited about it. i thought he did exactly what he had to do to turn this campaign around....
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the romney thesis is that the economy was getting worse. it was obama's fault, and romney was mr. fix-it. and in each of those tenets it seemed to me they have gone out the window. i think obama will start asking where is the beef. the numbers are very clear about the economic turnaround since he's been president. he has an economic jobs recovery act now which by everybody's reckoning would create somewhere between 1 million and 2 million jobs. on the other hand, you have romney who has no economic plan whatsoever other than to say i want to cut taxes below the 15% ofg dp that they are right now, and then the other night he says, well, i don't want to actually cut the actual tax rate, i want to cut rates and then i want to increase deductions and give us effectively the same amount of taxes coming into the economy which leaves him with an unutterly incoherent record. with romney you have nothing and i think the message you will start hearing next week is going back to that old mondale commercial, where is the beef, show us the beef, because there ain't none there. >> john, before
the romney thesis is that the economy was getting worse. it was obama's fault, and romney was mr. fix-it. and in each of those tenets it seemed to me they have gone out the window. i think obama will start asking where is the beef. the numbers are very clear about the economic turnaround since he's been president. he has an economic jobs recovery act now which by everybody's reckoning would create somewhere between 1 million and 2 million jobs. on the other hand, you have romney who has no...
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people find it difficult to access mr. romney. this will give an opportunity to show people who he really is shep? >> shepard: carl, a new ad out tonight. i wonder if that gives us a hint of what we might hear in this debate. >> it does. mr. romney has been complaining in the recent weeks that the president often misrepresents his position on abortion, the auto bailout. basic tax policy, et cetera. mr. romney also plans to point out that the president has been saying, you know, well, some parts of the economy are doing okay and that the recovery is underway. here is mitt rom know camera one of those ads where he speaks directly to the people, no big music and pictures of others that sort of apple pie and motherhood stuff. this is mitt romney saying what he thinks. >> too many americans today are struggling, living paycheck to paycheck. more americans live in poverty than when president obama took office. >> and the follow-up to that the next line in the ad and the next line in the debates will be that the country simply cannot aff
people find it difficult to access mr. romney. this will give an opportunity to show people who he really is shep? >> shepard: carl, a new ad out tonight. i wonder if that gives us a hint of what we might hear in this debate. >> it does. mr. romney has been complaining in the recent weeks that the president often misrepresents his position on abortion, the auto bailout. basic tax policy, et cetera. mr. romney also plans to point out that the president has been saying, you know,...
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explain yourself, mr. president. does romney do that? >> well, look, it all depends on whether or not the subject is brought up by the moderator. >> bill: no, no, no. he can bring it up anymoreself. you know that. >> it looks like he a stretch if he does it either an specific question by lehrer or specific question by obama or generalize. >> obama says 47% hold it, don't take mayor of los angeles comment out of tape out of context on a tape. i heard you saying bing bing bing bing bing. didn't look like it's tit-for-tat. he has got to look for opening more subtle than that. that's too obvious. he needs to be presidential. when he brings it up he needs to bring it up i'm wired up about. this he doesn't need to bring it up in -- he needs to bring it up in sorrow and regret. you raised this incident in a way that was racially charged stirring up animosity. >> bill: he has to rise above. >> absolutely. he he needs to be presidential. he needs to be nor o'reilly or rove on this issue because both of us are too spun up about it. >> bill: okay.
explain yourself, mr. president. does romney do that? >> well, look, it all depends on whether or not the subject is brought up by the moderator. >> bill: no, no, no. he can bring it up anymoreself. you know that. >> it looks like he a stretch if he does it either an specific question by lehrer or specific question by obama or generalize. >> obama says 47% hold it, don't take mayor of los angeles comment out of tape out of context on a tape. i heard you saying bing bing...
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mr. romney gave a small difficult to the incumbents i think she is right. joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with pbs in doctrine ating chi
mr. romney gave a small difficult to the incumbents i think she is right. joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with pbs in doctrine ating chi
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because in those states, mr. romney's argument that mr. obama is responsible for a bad economy doesn't work. ohio is more prosperous now than it's been for decades. and in virginia the unemployment rate is less than 6%. mr. romney probably can't win without either of those two states. and the economic conditions in those states, which are much better than the rest of the country, is really seems to be hurting him and helping the president. >> okay. peter brown, thanks for the interesting chat. i appreciate it. >>> now to number five on our list of the top five trending stories. the new intrusion into kate middleton's private life. more photographs of the duchess of cambridge have surfaced. a danish magazine has published photos showing middleton changing her bikini bottoms taken from the front. st. james palace has not said if it will take legal action. [ horse neighs ] look! she wears the scarlet markings! [ man ] out! your kind is not welcome here! nor your odd predilections! miracle whip is tangy and sweet, not odd. [ man ] it's evil! i
because in those states, mr. romney's argument that mr. obama is responsible for a bad economy doesn't work. ohio is more prosperous now than it's been for decades. and in virginia the unemployment rate is less than 6%. mr. romney probably can't win without either of those two states. and the economic conditions in those states, which are much better than the rest of the country, is really seems to be hurting him and helping the president. >> okay. peter brown, thanks for the interesting...
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mr. romney gave a small difficult to the incumbents i think she is right. joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with pbs in doctrine ating children into socialism. that is sad. >> yeah, and joy, i want to let you know that nate he silver has updated his chances of the
mr. romney gave a small difficult to the incumbents i think she is right. joy, this is a bad place for romney to go. >> this was the one bone to romney threw to the far right. they have this obsession with pbs in doctrine ating children into socialism. that is sad. >> yeah, and joy, i want to let you know that nate he silver has updated his chances of the
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do you think mr. romney should put this foreign policy leadership quotient or lack thereof into wednesday night's debate. i mean there's economic policy quotient that's going to be very important on leadership, what about foreign policy? >> yeah i think the lack of leadership in foreign policy shows itself in domestic policy. the president needs to be the president. he needs to be able to guide the nation, you can't do one without the other. if he has a policy of appeasement in foreign policy, that's going to bleed over into domestic policy. i would think that it's a very legitimate issue to raise, the whole issue of presidential leadership, the commander in chief and trying to lead the nation during very desperate economic times. if you're not a courageous commander in chief, you're not going to be able to generate confidence in the country to follow you on your economic domestic policy. >> i think that paul ryan is right, i think the security apparatus, at least as regards the middle east, the intel
do you think mr. romney should put this foreign policy leadership quotient or lack thereof into wednesday night's debate. i mean there's economic policy quotient that's going to be very important on leadership, what about foreign policy? >> yeah i think the lack of leadership in foreign policy shows itself in domestic policy. the president needs to be the president. he needs to be able to guide the nation, you can't do one without the other. if he has a policy of appeasement in foreign...
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we're not seeing that from mr. romney. a few generalities, but i want to see some specifics and i want him to connect each one up with how many jobs it is going to give us. >> you're looking for specifics tonight. what about, though, as you mentioned the economy, what about the battle for the middle class? you have joe biden as -- let me just play this clip in case our viewers haven't seen it, he really stepped in it yesterday when he said this was in charlotte. >> this is deadly earnest. how they can justify -- how they can justify raising taxes in the middle class who has been buried the last four years, how -- >> buried the last four years. of course, most of the last four years under the obama administration. so, before we chat, mr. stein, i do need to play this follow-up clip, the vice president, you know, coming back and explaining his comment. this was later in asheville. >> the middle class was buried by the policies of romney and that ryan supported. as bill clinton, all they're suggesting now when asked about thi
we're not seeing that from mr. romney. a few generalities, but i want to see some specifics and i want him to connect each one up with how many jobs it is going to give us. >> you're looking for specifics tonight. what about, though, as you mentioned the economy, what about the battle for the middle class? you have joe biden as -- let me just play this clip in case our viewers haven't seen it, he really stepped in it yesterday when he said this was in charlotte. >> this is deadly...
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i'm one that thinks mr. romney might have made a mistake tonight. i think he was theatrical, but he gave so many answers that will be proven to be untrue. is it not the strategy of obama campaign to let the -- let mr. romney commit himself to things that will not stand the light of day, including his own former position? as i said before the debate, a rope-a-dope strategy? >> on romney's huge tax cut, which he did dishonestly try to run away from. i think the president did a good job of explaining to the middle class, you're going to pay the burden for a $5 trillion tax cut. that issue has been driving voters in this election and that was intensified tonight. the president was clear about pinning romney down on medicare. as we come out of this debate, we're going to be making sure people understand, and the president said this, romney says he's going to cut loopholes but he won't name them. romney said i'm going to replace obama care. romney said he's going to repeal wall street reform. as the president said, these are plans that are harm the middle
i'm one that thinks mr. romney might have made a mistake tonight. i think he was theatrical, but he gave so many answers that will be proven to be untrue. is it not the strategy of obama campaign to let the -- let mr. romney commit himself to things that will not stand the light of day, including his own former position? as i said before the debate, a rope-a-dope strategy? >> on romney's huge tax cut, which he did dishonestly try to run away from. i think the president did a good job of...
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romney, mr. romney, totally amoral, apolitical sense i thought his performance last night was masterful if not brilliant. >> rose: masterful and brilliant. >> yes. >> where do we go from here? what should we watch for? >> last time around john kerry we talked about, as a coach and sparring partner he did good against scroo w in 2004 election and the second debate of that kerry was vice president's debate in which after the president losing the debate if you will, then dick cheney who is very, blue edwards out of the room like well until this time i don't think we have met before, very established way to put that, you know people like this. you know how you do it, you just say i don't think we met before, like you are a nobody. and he was very good at that, very good and putting them away and i think that turned it back so the debates wouldn't be lethal to the incumbent president, this time, i think joe biden, he has flaws, his establish isn't precise some time but up against a guy child kind of a
romney, mr. romney, totally amoral, apolitical sense i thought his performance last night was masterful if not brilliant. >> rose: masterful and brilliant. >> yes. >> where do we go from here? what should we watch for? >> last time around john kerry we talked about, as a coach and sparring partner he did good against scroo w in 2004 election and the second debate of that kerry was vice president's debate in which after the president losing the debate if you will, then...